Dr Florence Ruggiero

Dr. Florence Ruggiero is the team leader of the Matrix Biology and Pathology group and the director of the Institut de Génomique Fonctionnelle de Lyon (IGFL).  After a great talk about science we also have the opportunity to talk with her about different issues related to gender equality in her country and  her own experience as woman working at such high level.

We start our conversation asking her about gender equality in her country. Dr  Ruggiero tells us that in France gender discrimination is not really a problem, because most men know that taking care of children must be a shared task between parents. She confesses that children care is really difficult when children are young but the key point is to share these tasks with your partner: “If you share things with your husband he can also help you, he would like you to be a super researcher. It is really important to have this balance and also that as a couple, both should be able to have their careers because they are a team». Her advice is: “Choose a good person”. She believes that part of the problem is that «most women think that mother care is the most important thing for their children and they do not want to accept that perhaps this is not so…» She affirms to respect any personal decision but she does not like to hear “I stop working because I have children, I stop to be ambitious because I have children…”, because she thinks that having children and continuing working are not incompatible things nowadays.

We are also interested in knowing whether her institute has a gender equality committee similar to ours. Florence tells us that they do not have it but she wants to implement the idea in the institute she directs.

Talking about her career, Florence explains to us that she was encouraged by her supervisor, who was a man, to become a PI and to have her own group. She tried and got it. Then, she applied to a very competitive position in another institute, surrounded by groups specialized in developmental biology and evolution. Although she thinks that her curriculum vitae was not the best one she prepared herself as never before and got it. Based on her own experience she thinks that, in part, the low representation of women in this kind of selection processes is an educational problem related to the little self-confidence that women, in general, have. She says that women tend to be not as direct, strong or clear as men when they are fighting for a position and that is something that can tip the scale to men side.

Before she got the position at IGFL, in the Institute there were 12 groups leaded by men so she was the only female group leader for a while. She says that although she has never felt gender discrimination, she was witness of the poor self-confidence of some female candidates.  Her institute encouraged female application by notifying this point specifically in the text of the call for new group leaders but they received only few applications from women. Regarding this life lesson Florence tells us: “Female can help female by not saying we are victims». But this is changing. Last year, Florence strongly supported as the Director of the IGFL the application of a young, talented woman.  She got the position and few months later she got three very competitive grants (among them a French Starting Grant and an ERC Starting Grant), she got a permanent position and then she had a baby as well.

She insists that the main problem for women in science is to be confident and she encourages us to always try and to learn from the feedback when we fail. She thinks that the way women behave is consequence of our education, because the society and mass media say to you, sometimes not obviously, that female and male are different.

Florence’s take home message is that women need to be confident: »just try it and do not hesitate».

 

Image. Left to right: Marta S. Magri (CABD Gender Equality Committee), Dr. Florence Ruggiero and Dr. Isabel Almudí (CABD Gender Equality Committee).

Dra. Florence Ruggiero

La Dra. Florence Ruggiero es la investigadora principal del equipo del grupo Matrix Biology and Pathology y directora del Institut de Génomique Fonctionnelle de Lyon (IGFL). Después de una gran charla sobre ciencia, también tuvimos la oportunidad de hablar con ella sobre diferentes cuestiones relacionadas con la igualdad de género en su país y su propia experiencia como mujer en el ámbito de la ciencia a alto nivel.

Comenzamos nuestra conversación preguntándole sobre la igualdad de género en su país. La Dra. Ruggiero nos dice que en Francia la discriminación de género no es realmente un problema, porque la mayoría de los hombres son conscientes de que cuidar de los niños debe ser una tarea compartida entre los padres. Ella confiesa que el cuidado de los niños es complicado cuando éstos son pequeños, pero que la clave está en compartir estas tareas con tu pareja: «Si compartes cosas con tu pareja, ésta también puede ayudarte, le gustará que seas una súper investigadora. Es realmente importante encontrar este equilibrio y también ser conscientes de que ambos deberían poder desarrollar sus propias carreras si funcionan como equipo. Su consejo es: «Elige una buena persona». Ella cree que parte del problema es que «la mayoría de las mujeres piensan que el cuidado de la madre es lo más importante para sus hijos y no están dispuestas a aceptar que tal vez esto no sea así …» Afirma respetar cualquier decisión personal, pero a ella no le gusta escuchar «Dejo de trabajar porque tengo hijos, dejo de ser ambiciosa porque tengo hijos …», porque piensa que la maternidad y el trabajo no son incompatibles hoy en día.

También nos interesamos por saber si su instituto tiene un comité de igualdad de género similar al nuestro. Florence nos dice que no lo tienen, pero que quiere implementar la idea en el instituto que ella dirige.

Hablando sobre su carrera científica, Florence nos explicó que su supervisor, que era un hombre, la animó a convertirse en investigadora principal y tener su propio grupo. Ella lo intentó y lo consiguió. Después solicitó una plaza muy competitiva en otro instituto, rodeada de grupos especializados en biología del desarrollo y evolución. Aunque cree que su curriculum vitae no era el mejor, se preparó muy a fondo y consiguió la plaza. Basándose en su propia experiencia, piensa que, en parte, la baja representación de las mujeres en este tipo de procesos de selección es un problema educativo relacionado con la poca confianza en sí mismas que las mujeres, en general, tienen. Ella cree que las mujeres tienden a no ser tan directas o claras como los hombres cuando están luchando por un puesto y eso es algo que puede inclinar la balanza a favor de los hombres.

Antes de obtener su plaza en el IGFL, en el instituto había 12 grupos liderados todos por hombres, por lo que fue la única líder de grupo mujer durante un tiempo. Ella dice que aunque nunca sintió discriminación de género, fue testigo de la poca confianza en sí misma de algunas candidatas. Su instituto alentó a científicas a solicitar plazas de jefas de grupo, haciéndolo constar específicamente en el texto de la convocatoria, pero recibieron pocas solicitudes de mujeres. Como lección de vida, Florence nos dijo: «Las mujeres pueden ayudar a las mujeres, pero no diciendo que somos víctimas». Ella cree que estamos en momentos de cambio. El año pasado, Florence apoyó firmemente como directora de IGFL la solicitud de una científica joven y con mucho talento. Obtuvo la plaza y pocos meses después, consiguió tres becas muy competitivas (entre ellas, una Starting Grant francesa y una Starting Grant de ERC), obtuvo un puesto permanente y ese mismo año tuvo su primer hijo.

Ella insiste en que el principal problema para las mujeres en la ciencia es la confianza y nos alentó a ser perseverantes y aprender cuando cometemos errores. Ella piensa que la manera en que las mujeres se comportan es consecuencia de nuestra educación, porque la sociedad y los medios de comunicación están continuamente diciendo, a veces no de manera obvia, que las mujeres y los hombres son diferentes. El mensaje de Florence fue que las mujeres deben tener confianza: » inténtalo y no dudes»

 

Imagen. De izquierda a derecha: Marta S. Magri (Comisión de Igualdad del CABD), Dra. Florence Ruggiero y  Dra. Isabel Almudi (Comisión de Igualdad del CABD).

Dr Alexis L Braun

Dr Alexis L Braun, from Cambridge University, recently visited the CABD. She is an early career scientist investigating the role of centrosomes in animal fertility using the germline of Drosophila melanogaster as a model system. We wanted to ask her some questions about her research and her experience as a female scientist:

Question: When did you know you would become a scientist?

Dr L Braun grew up in a small village in Canada, Bella Coola, where she soon developed a passion for Biology. She explains that she loved nature and animals; she got her first microscope when she was only eight and used it to observe all of the bugs and plants that she could get her hands on. It was very early on when she knew she wanted to became a scientist.

Question: What was your path to becoming an academic scientist?

Upon entering postsecondary education at the University of Victoria, Canada, a family friend inspired her to pursue a career in academia. She eventually graduated with a double major in Biochemistry and Biology. One of her closest mentors advised her to move countries to gain experience, so she went to Sweden where she obtained her Master degree at the Royal Institute of Technology. Then, she moved on to do her PhD with Dr Isabel Palacios at the University of Cambridge UK. She had since carried on in academia doing her first post-doc with Dr Kimata and she is currently in Prof Glover’s lab, both at the University of Cambridge.

Question: Do you have any female examples as role models in Science and who were they?

Alexis explained that she had the great opportunity of meeting a lot of women scientist who heavily influenced her career, such as her PhD supervisor, Dr. Palacios, in whom she can still find support and advice when facing problems. Also, Prof. Anne Ferguson-Smith, the head of the Genetics Department plays a key role in her day-to-day life at the department and is one of Alexis’ inspirations as successful female scientists. Furthermore, Alexis tells us that beyond women in academia, her main inspiration has been her mother, who always professed egalitarian values against all kind of discrimination.

Question: Does the Genetics department have a gender equality committee?

Alexis explained that in the Department of Genetics there is the Equality and Wellbeing Committee that strives to improve the support for the scientists at all levels in the department.  She also mentioned that the Genetics Department, and the university as a whole, has a commitment to achieve the best possible working environment for staff and students alike. Special attention is paid to the values and mandate of the Athena Swan Charter, which was created to encourage and recognise commitment to advancing the careers of women in science, technology, engineering, maths and medicine (STEMM) employment in higher education and research. Dr. L. Braun believes that promoting a good working environment for everybody will really help to retain more women in science.

 

Image. Left to right: Marta S. Magri, -PhD student- and Dr. Isabel Almudi, members of the CABD Gender Equality Committee, Dr. Alexis L Braun and Prof. Acaimo González, CABD researcher and host of our speaker.